Ren'Py Family, Friends and Strangers [v2024.10] [JohnAndRich]

Rich · Jun 23, 2024

BulgariAMARA said:
Rich, can you tell us how the update development is progressing? Are there any difficulties, what are the successes?

Update development? Well, the latest update has been published for my upper-level subscribers on SubscribeStar. It'll go to the rest of my subscribers within days.

Difficulties? Finding enough time to work on it because of all the other IRL things that call on my time. Successes? The warm feeling every time people tell me they like the story. (That isn't 100% of the people - I've gotten my share of harsh reviews and comments. But for those who do, knowing that I've pleased them is very rewarding.)

Maybe that isn't what you were looking for, but that's what I've got.

Rich · Jun 23, 2024

TheUberstuff said:
I love your game and I stated this before but the hottest thing in my view would be Becky fucking one or both of the cops.... possibly at the same time.... WHO'S WITH ME!

Yes, this has been requested over and over, and my comments on that have been repeated over and over.

I'm Not Thea Lundgren! · Jun 23, 2024

Rich said:
Update development? Well, the latest update has been published for my upper-level subscribers on SubscribeStar. It'll go to the rest of my subscribers within days.

Difficulties? Finding enough time to work on it because of all the other IRL things that call on my time. Successes? The warm feeling every time people tell me they like the story. (That isn't 100% of the people - I've gotten my share of harsh reviews and comments. But for those who do, knowing that I've pleased them is very rewarding.)

Maybe that isn't what you were looking for, but that's what I've got.

I'm one of the ones who really like the story and everything else about the game.
I'm also a subscriber on SS.

Big Rooster · Jun 23, 2024

Good Work Boss!

BulgariAMARA · Jun 23, 2024

Rich said:
Update development? Well, the latest update has been published for my upper-level subscribers on SubscribeStar. It'll go to the rest of my subscribers within days.

Difficulties? Finding enough time to work on it because of all the other IRL things that call on my time. Successes? The warm feeling every time people tell me they like the story. (That isn't 100% of the people - I've gotten my share of harsh reviews and comments. But for those who do, knowing that I've pleased them is very rewarding.)

Maybe that isn't what you were looking for, but that's what I've got.

Thank you for taking the time to reply to me. The update has already been released, which means that after some time it will appear here. That's great news, thank you. I look forward to.
(To be clear, I would be very happy to provide financial support to the author of such a wonderful game. But today my financial situation does not allow me to do this, I'm sorry.)

Rich said:
Yes, this has been requested over and over, and my comments on that have been repeated over and over.

I'm also one of those who likes your game.
In my opinion, the plot of the story, the game, whether to corrupt Becky or not, is up to the author, it is his prerogative. I just wish I could see more depraved actions, if not Becky, then from Mom MC, mom friends MC and other girls in this wonderful game.

I'm Not Thea Lundgren! · Jun 23, 2024

BulgariAMARA said:
I'm also one of those who likes your game.
In my opinion, the plot of the story, the game, whether to corrupt Becky or not, is up to the author, it is his prerogative. I just wish I could see more depraved actions, if not Becky, then from Mom MC, mom friends MC and other girls in this wonderful game.

That's what the Scenes That Didn't Happen game is for.

Rich · Jun 24, 2024

BulgariAMARA said:
I'm also one of those who likes your game.
In my opinion, the plot of the story, the game, whether to corrupt Becky or not, is up to the author, it is his prerogative. I just wish I could see more depraved actions, if not Becky, then from Mom MC, mom friends MC and other girls in this wonderful game.

As I'm Not Thea Lundgren! said, some of this I'm addressing in STDH. But as I've also stated earlier in this thread, I have trouble writing scenes that aren't "in my character's nature," and, frankly, I have my own limits as an author that make some types of "scenes with more depraved actions" hard for me to portray. So, I'm simply plugging away, trying to give you what I'm capable of giving you.

tharsheblows · Jun 24, 2024

Rich said:
As I'm Not Thea Lundgren! said, some of this I'm addressing in STDH. But as I've also stated earlier in this thread, I have trouble writing scenes that aren't "in my character's nature," and, frankly, I have my own limits as an author that make some types of "scenes with more depraved actions" hard for me to portray. So, I'm simply plugging away, trying to give you what I'm capable of giving you.

You are one of the most frank and open dev's here Rich. I so appreciate you putting your truth out there like this, time and time again. You have the thickest skin in the biz and really set the bar for what being a humble yet talented creative looks like.

Never, EVER, let them get you down.

TheUberstuff · Jun 24, 2024

tharsheblows said:
You are one of the most frank and open dev's here Rich. I so appreciate you putting your truth out there like this, time and time again. You have the thickest skin in the biz and really set the bar for what being a humble yet talented creative looks like.

Never, EVER, let them get you down.

I agree, and while I know my ultimate wish won't come true I still love the game and have mad respect for Rich for communicating as much as he does and for being direct and honest about why things are. As far as I can tell Rich is the best dev for communicating of any dev I have seen on this site and has one of the better games.

S.t.s · Jun 24, 2024

Hello, I think the developer should respect people's interests about the game because he will publish the game for them in the end. If not, then he should have made the game for himself and not published it. People vote for the president who can fulfill their desires and wishes.

tharsheblows · Jun 24, 2024

S.t.s said:
Hello, I think the developer should respect people's interests about the game because he will publish the game for them in the end. If not, then he should have made the game for himself and not published it. People vote for the president who can fulfill their desires and wishes.

Bullshit. You know nothing about how those who create function and make their art. Art is not politics. It's the exact opposite of it. If we had to conduct polls or vote for "art" we'd live in a horrible place run by horrible people.

No, thank you.

Rich · Jun 24, 2024

S.t.s said:
Hello, I think the developer should respect people's interests about the game because he will publish the game for them in the end. If not, then he should have made the game for himself and not published it. People vote for the president who can fulfill their desires and wishes.

I'm going to disagree with you, but not as violently as tharsheblows did.

There is a difference between "I've decided to build something primarily for commercial purposes" and "I've decided to build something that I want to build and make it available to others." I consider myself in the latter category, rather than the former. If I'd wanted to build something solely with the intent of cashing in on it, this would probably have been filled with incest and other similar debauchery, since that seems to be "what sells."

While I'm hardly turning down any support that people are willing to give me, I've been very forthright (I thought) in the fact that I'm telling the story that I want to tell. If it's not the story that others want to read/watch/whatever, I have no issues with them moving on to find something that pleases them more. I don't bend the story to chase every last person who passes by.

tharsheblows · Jun 24, 2024

Rich said:
I'm going to disagree with you, but not as violently as tharsheblows did.

There is a difference between "I've decided to build something primarily for commercial purposes" and "I've decided to build something that I want to build and make it available to others." I consider myself in the latter category, rather than the former. If I'd wanted to build something solely with the intent of cashing in on it, this would probably have been filled with incest and other similar debauchery, since that seems to be "what sells."

While I'm hardly turning down any support that people are willing to give me, I've been very forthright (I thought) in the fact that I'm telling the story that I want to tell. If it's not the story that others want to read/watch/whatever, I have no issues with them moving on to find something that pleases them more. I don't bend the story to chase every last person who passes by.

I was "violent?" I thought blunt, perhaps brusque? Frank?

S.t.s · Jun 24, 2024

tharsheblows said:
Bullshit. You know nothing about how those who create function and make their art. Art is not politics. It's the exact opposite of it. If we had to conduct polls or vote for "art" we'd live in a horrible place run by horrible people.

No, thank you.

Wow, you yourself are like the worst politicians, we at least wish and insist that we live in a democratic world and everyone can express their opinion freely. You could be more polite, like the game developer's answer. It was not my intention to combine art and politics, I wanted to say with an example that people feel comfortable when their desires and interests are met. That's it.

tharsheblows · Jun 24, 2024

S.t.s said:
Wow, you yourself are like the worst politicians, we at least wish and insist that we live in a democratic world and everyone can express their opinion freely. You could be more polite, like the game developer's answer. It was not my intention to combine art and politics, I wanted to say with an example that people feel comfortable when their desires and interests are met. That's it.

I very much dislike the opinion that one can control artistic endeavors as though they ought to be managed through a political process.

How's that? Better? Let's run with that.

fotogaik · Jun 25, 2024

tharsheblows said:
I very much dislike the opinion that one can control artistic endeavors as though they ought to be managed through a political process.

How's that? Better? Let's run with that.

As if art wasn't directed through patronage over the centuries. Patronage, commissions, seeking popularity by showing off to market to potential customers, resulting in higher income. Rarely did artists have the opportunity to truly express themselves.

Patreon is just a modern way to enable patronage and there are different ways to manage patron expectations. There are creators who aim to please the crowds as much as possible, creating for the sake of marketing themselves only. There are others who follow through with their original vision completely ignoring their patron input. And there's a whole spectrum in between.

Obviously some creators can't afford to lose their patreon income and will trade their artistic integrity for popularity. There are some who already have enough income to go around and will not sacrifice an iota of their integrity.

Funny how the latter frequently have more devoted fans than the former.

Penfold Mole · Jun 25, 2024

fotogaik said:
As if art wasn't directed through patronage over the centuries. Patronage, commissions, seeking popularity by showing off to market to potential customers, resulting in higher income. Rarely did artists have the opportunity to truly express themselves.

Patreon is just a modern way to enable patronage and there are different ways to manage patron expectations. There are creators who aim to please the crowds as much as possible, creating for the sake of marketing themselves only. There are others who follow through with their original vision completely ignoring their patron input. And there's a whole spectrum in between.

Obviously some creators can't afford to lose their patreon income and will trade their artistic integrity for popularity. There are some who already have enough income to go around and will not sacrifice an iota of their integrity.

Funny how the latter frequently have more devoted fans than the former.

And this is why most creators can not afford to lose their day jobs and stable income, leaving art on the second place as a hobby.
That gives them stability and security and artistic freedom, but little time for art.

tharsheblows · Jun 25, 2024

fotogaik said:
As if art wasn't directed through patronage over the centuries. Patronage, commissions, seeking popularity by showing off to market to potential customers, resulting in higher income. Rarely did artists have the opportunity to truly express themselves.

Patreon is just a modern way to enable patronage and there are different ways to manage patron expectations. There are creators who aim to please the crowds as much as possible, creating for the sake of marketing themselves only. There are others who follow through with their original vision completely ignoring their patron input. And there's a whole spectrum in between.

Obviously some creators can't afford to lose their patreon income and will trade their artistic integrity for popularity. There are some who already have enough income to go around and will not sacrifice an iota of their integrity.

Funny how the latter frequently have more devoted fans than the former.

100% spot on. However, patronage is one thing, catering to the whims of the masses is another.

cleanfeel · Jun 27, 2024

MAD6999 said:
Only one question does NTR exist or will it exist with Becky's character? to know if playing no one gives a clear answer

No. This has been answered before.

ChoseN89 · Jul 1, 2024

Is there any gallery mode to unlock all possibilities chapters?

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